Ken. I have been on the look out for another Wilis Gold for a couple years now. This one was a gift some years ago from a nearby Croton collector. It had very little red in a couple of the leaves when it was given to me. As it has grown the red has become non existent. I really like this one, but I do want one with the reds. I had rooted a cutting from it a couple of years ago to try in full sun and it also never got the great reds. That cutting now has a new home and maybe it will become colorful for its new caretaker.